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Offline Leo K

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OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« on: June 30, 2007, 12:05:09 AM »
Anyone have any thoughts on the Brahms Symphonies on SACD?  Recommendations?

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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2007, 01:29:35 AM »
I heard Haitink/LSO/LSO is pretty good.

Apart from SACD, I have Maazel/CVLO, Sanderling/BSO, Bohm/VPO/DG and they are all excellent.

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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2007, 02:25:24 AM »

I heard Haitink/LSO/LSO is pretty good.
John,

Well, you never heard it from me, and have heard many times that I consider his LSO recordings absolutely gawd awful boring. Like his late Mahler, these are uninspired, paint-by-numbers performances. Blech!

I love Brahms. Especially the 1st and 3rd. There is no recommendable SACD cycle as far as I'm concerned. My choices would be:

Brahms 1 - none on SACD (Alsop! Run away! Run away!)
Brahms 2 - Jansons (good but not great performance, good SACD audio)
Brahms 3 - none on SACD
Brahms 4 - Walter (good performance, expansive, noble, not so good SACD sound, SACD is no better than RBCD)

I have not yet heard the SACD recordings by Sieghart on Exton, available only from Japan, but I'd really like to. I am endlessly optimistic that someday, someone will turn up on SACD who will knock my socks off.
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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2007, 03:29:50 AM »
Amphissa,

Well, I heard you and I stand by my judgement. I still consider Haitink one of the most eminent and active Mahler conductors of our time.

John,

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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2007, 06:52:15 AM »
Of course he's eminant and active. Otherwise, he'd be either retired or dead. I still stand by my opinion that he was better earlier in his career.
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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2007, 08:45:33 AM »
My favorite Brahms is Abbado's BPO set...now I wish that was SACD.

I haven't heard Haitink's Brahms yet, but I think I might give his SACD Brahms a try.

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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2007, 03:20:06 PM »
I'm pretty sure that the Semyon Bychkov/WDR S.O. Koln (Cologne) Brahms recordings are SACD/CD hybrids. They're on the Avie label. As I recall, they've received pretty favorable reviews too. They're a tad expensive.

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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2007, 03:56:56 PM »
I'm pretty sure that the Semyon Bychkov/WDR S.O. Koln (Cologne) Brahms recordings are SACD/CD hybrids. They're on the Avie label. As I recall, they've received pretty favorable reviews too. They're a tad expensive.

Barry

Oh, right. I had forgotten the Bychkov cycle. They are actually pretty good. Nothing extra special, but good. And the audio is pretty decent too. I guess if I had to recommend a complete cycle on SACD, that would be it. But the price is definitely stiff.

I also rather like the Abbado set, Leo. I'm not a huge fan of Abbado's Mahler, but certainly he did good with Brahms. Maybe they will get around to remastering them and making them available on SACD.
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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2007, 04:00:09 PM »
Amphissa,

Well, I heard you and I stand by my judgement. I still consider Haitink one of the most eminent and active Mahler conductors of our time.

John,

Tell me you really like his LSO Brahms after you actually hear them.  ;D
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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2007, 04:32:38 PM »
Well, my recommendation was based on what I read in ARG. Reading it again, it doesn't look like they said every symphony is good under Haitink. So, you may be right.... But I know I LOVE Haitink's recent live M6th with LSO, his ECYO M9th, and VPO M3rd (1995 Mahlerfest), etc.

OTOH, there are his recordings I don't care much such as M8th.

John,

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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2007, 12:33:27 AM »
I've been collecting a lot of Brahms symphony cycles over the last two years or so.  I am not real happy with my SACD ones to date.  I don't like Walter's expansive B4, and the Columbia SO plays better on some of their other recordings.  I also have a Kobayashi/Czech PO B2.  It is expansive to the point of utter dullness. I also dislike Haitink's LSO Live B4 (and have also downloaded and dislike the B2 LSO Live).  I have avoided the Bychkov cycle because it got a bad write-up from Classics Today.  I would be very interested to hear some additional impressions of it, since Bychkov's DLvdE and M3 are both decent and worthwhile.  The price isn't scaring me away, it is the reviews at this point.  It is rather amazing that there is so little Brahms' in terms of Symphonies and/or Piano Concertos on SACD (as compared to Mahler). 

Fortunately there is plenty of Brahms to enjoy on CD.  I have the Abbado symphony set on order.  I really love the sets by Wand, Dohnanyi, Levine/CSO and VPO, Karajan (DG's most recent collection), and Szell.  Eschenbach has a pretty decent one with my local heroes, and even the Solti is quite nice.  The worst one in my collection is the Lennie/DG one. 

I also have a shelf-full of his Piano Concertos, which are probably my favorite in the Genre (OK, so I probably like Beethoven and Rachmaninov as well on any given day).
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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2007, 02:08:02 AM »
I treasure the Abbado Brahms cycle deeply...no other Brahms, except maybe Furtwangler, sounds quite so compelling and full of nuance and character as this.  Abbado's set also has the best sounding Brahms I've heard.  Perhaps he and the BPO (and the recording engineers) were in a certain mood, or chemistry when performing these Brahms works...I don't know, but it's a shame Abbado's BPO Mahler isn't recorded as well.  Abbado's BPO Mahler is often great, but often he is comprimised by troublesome sound.   

It is a pity that there are no great SACD Brahms sets out there  :'(

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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2007, 07:10:13 AM »
PentaTone Classics, which has produced some great SACDs, is recording the Brahms Symphonies with Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra under Marek Janowski. Symphonies Nos. 1 & 2 were recorded last March and Nos. 3 & 4 will follow on November. The recording of the Symphony No. 1 paired with the Haydn Variations is to be released next month.

I've heard some rave reviews on Janowski's previous Brahms cycle, so I really really look forward to this one.

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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2007, 03:47:56 PM »
PentaTone Classics, which has produced some great SACDs, is recording the Brahms Symphonies with Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra under Marek Janowski. Symphonies Nos. 1 & 2 were recorded last March and Nos. 3 & 4 will follow on November. The recording of the Symphony No. 1 paired with the Haydn Variations is to be released next month.

I've heard some rave reviews on Janowski's previous Brahms cycle, so I really really look forward to this one.

Good News!! I'll be on the lookout for these. 
Scott

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Re: OT: Brahms SACD recommendations?
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2007, 04:11:08 AM »
Janowski and Pittsburgh could be a real winner. But I gotta be honest with you folks, I prefer recordings of Brahms where they've pared down the string section in an effort to make the winds more audible and, hopefully, obtain more clarity in the inner voices. It's for that reason that I like the MacKerras Brahms cycle (Telarc), as well as the Berglund/Chamber Orchestra of Europe cycle (Warner). They may sound a bit odd at first. But once you get comfortable with them, you may prefer the clearer voicings.

Barry

 

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